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发表于 2012-6-10 22:49  资料 文集 短消息 


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这个指责有欠公平吧?

谢谢你的好意!他这个说法没错,我欠缺修养,不愿当老狐狸。




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就算被你误解,可误解成俺想跟你称兄道弟,也太过夸张了吧?再说,太阳系的兄弟是银河系,俺怎敢远攀呢?

子弹偶尔发错,呵呵。我对“上海帮”有点敏感,那是过去在别的网站交流的经验,一有争论,多来几个帮友相助,虽然不是针对我,可我也大开眼界。




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上海发达的时候,你祖先还未下南洋呢~~




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上海发达的时候,你祖先还未下南洋呢~~

这才是你想表达的重点吗?
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你说的对,我为过激的言语道歉。
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回复 #164 谈笑风生 的帖子

如果#162的“上海帮”是表达的重点,那我回应的重点确实就是这样!




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原帖由 难得清静 于 2012-6-10 22:47 发表
从网上找到了什么?只是确定对老人致敬而已?

你以为我要确定什么?
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原帖由 难得清静 于 2012-6-10 22:47 发表
从网上找到了什么?只是确定对老人致敬而已

你以为我要确定什么?

有的。确定这个。
http://www.360doc.com/content/09/0124/23/94923_2395666.shtml

对别人所受痛苦所表现出来的冷漠,任何别的文明国家都无法望其项背

http://www.360doc.com/content/10/0727/22/109143_41900395.shtml

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如果#162的“上海帮”是表达的重点,那我回应的重点确实就是这样!

嗯,他说对“上海帮”有点敏感,因为有过去在别的网站交流的经验,一有争论,会多来几个帮友相助,让他大开眼界。。。。。

你回应说上海发达的时候,他祖先还没下南洋。。。。。。

重点的确都很清楚。
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不敢,不敢,上海发达的时候,我祖先应该也还没下南洋,哪里敢评点别人。
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原帖由 桃子 于 2012-6-10 22:08 发表

这个指责有欠公平吧?

这个贴子里谁最没修养?看的人都明白。动不动调侃讽刺别人,逼别人表态。他以为他是谁?好奇怪哦。
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原帖由 太阳系 于 2012-6-10 22:49 发表

谢谢你的好意!他这个说法没错,我欠缺修养,不愿当老狐狸。

我看你什么都不是,你就不要自以为是了。
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回复 #168 大傻 的帖子

因为要表示有血性,因此才向林医生致敬,原来如此。
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A tribute to the late Lim Hock Siew - From free Malaysia today

(向某人致敬必须写清楚为何某人值得敬重,而不是糊里糊涂,先致敬后才上网查自己致敬的理由,以下的样本可作为参考。)


June 6, 2012
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Malaysia and Singapore have been indifferently synonymous with paraphrasing the term ‘operation’ which has been identically associated with the ISA. Operation Lalang showed how hundreds of people who dissented with the social and economic policies of Mahathir Mohammad ended up in the Kamunting Detention Centre in 1987.
This was also the period which Malaysians witnessed the greatest scandal in their history. The government lost RM2.5 billion (at that time almost 3% of the GDP of the country) in the Bumiputera Malaysian Finance fiasco . The growing dissent from this scandal eventually led to the arrests and detention of many social and political activists under the ISA.
Across the causeway, the ‘operation’ had had started much earlier. On Feb 2,  1963, at least 111 left-wing activists were arrested and detained, including key members of the opposition political party, Barisan Sosialis. During this time, Singapore was a self-governing state under British rule and was preparing for a merger with the Federation of Malaya, Sabah and Sarawak to form the Federation of Malaysia in September 1963.
The pro-communists forces within the People’s Action Party (PAP) led by Lim Chin Siong did not align themselves with the merger of  Federation of Malaya to form Malaysia. They strongly opposed it. However the Lee Kuan Yew faction supported it.
Tunku Abdul Rahman, the then Prime Minister of Malaya had advised Lew Kuan Yew, then the Chief Minister of Singapore, that a merger would only be possible with Lim Chin Siong out of the way.
This advice was corroborated  by the Internal Security Council comprising  representatives of the British Colonial government, Federal Government of Malaya and from within the Singapore Government.
Tunku supported a very pro-British foreign policy and hence was weary that the resurgence of communism may take a new turn through these neo-communists. Malaya had to pay heavily from 1948 to 1960 for an Emergency Rule against the Malayan Communist Party (MCP).
As a result of these opposing views on the merger with the Federation of Malaysia, Lim Chin Siong’s  faction broke away from the PAP to form the Barisan Sosialis. The Singapore Trade Union Congress too, split into two factions – Singapore Association of Trade Unions (SATU) supporting the Barisan Sosialis, and the pro-PAP faction under leadership of Devan Nair, formed the National  Trades Union Congress (NTUC).
Hence ‘Operation Cold Store’ led to the arrests of the pro-communists and subsequently the Federation of Malaysia was formed. One news from the Singapore Democratic party says, “Born in 1931, incarcerated in 1963 and released in 1981.”
Another says, “You often hear about people like Nelson Mandela, Gandhi outside of Singapore. Dr Lim and Mr Chia Thye Poh – the longest-serving political prisoner in the world – these are Singaporean men. Something to be proud of.”
Yes, Malaysians do not know or cannot remember many of those who opposed the formation of Malaysia: Dominic Puthucheary, James Puthucheary, S Woodhull, Said Zahari, Abdul Wahab Shah, Abdul Samad Ismail and probably Syed Husin Ali.
Dr Lim Hock Siew who was one of the founding members of the PAP and the second longest-held political prisoner after Chia Thye Poh. He passed away at the age of 81 on Monday, June 4, 2012  after a period of illness at his home in Singapore.
The son of fishmonger, who had a great political vision, was arrested when he was only 32 years. His son was then five months old.  After 19 years and eight months in detention, he was finally  released on Sept 6, 1982. His son by then had entered college.
The life of Lim Hock Siew may not be as colourful as that of our  Malayan Labour Party members such as Lim Kean Siew. But much of his life dynamic part of  life had had ended in the prison like that of K Nadarajah, the general secretary of the United Malayan Rubbers Workers Union.
On Feb 28, 1967, Nadarajah was arrested under the Internal Security Act initiating a strike of 600 workers before the Guthrie Agency in Kuala Lumpur. All the 600 workers walked all the way from Bukit Asahan Estate in Malacca. Nadarajah was 27 years when he was detained.
He left the Kamunting Detention Centre when he was 44 years. Just imagine he was detained because Guthrie Agency refused to recognise the Union on the pretext of redundancy as they have already recognised the National Union of Plantation Workers.
I asked Nadarajah how was it with him ‘the days  of our youth are the days of our glory(Byron)’ had completely been spent in detention.  He said, ‘ My loss is your gain.”
True, Lim Hock Siew may have lost his golden years in detention yet the youths of today in  Singapore may find that human dignity  is all about struggles and the struggle for social justice is  a pre-eminent factor in the life of every one, who will yearn to remember him because they too, believe a hero is born with dignity and dies too in dignity. Farewell Hock Siew.

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原帖由 华英 于 2012-6-9 18:33 发表
吴兄,这样说就显得你没有根据当时的世界局势做思考啦,真的乱了。

当年,在东南亚,社会主义可是非常流行的,有良心的知识分子都会倾向社会主义,和当时的殖民地政府和西方霸权主义对抗。

还有,你去翻一 ...

所言完全符合史实。 清楚记得当年所有政党,在大选中都打出“社会主义”的旗号,无一例外!
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白马老毛病又发作了!

凡是有点常识、头脑清醒的人都明白:法律是讲证据的,没有证据、未经审判的长期拘禁,显然就是反人权、不人道,而逼供更是野蛮无理之极!

这点难道还需要“说”才清楚吗?

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原帖由 悠悠小仙 于 2012-6-11 02:28 发表


我看你什么都不是,你就不要自以为是了。

你这个仙头也是废物,昨天有个从石家庄来学习的老女学生一直叫我“老师”,想拜师呢,我哪在乎你这种家伙,你是个妖,不是仙!




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白马老毛病又发作了!

凡是有点常识、头脑清醒的人都明白:法律是讲证据的,没有证据、未经审判的长期拘禁,显然就是反人权、不人道,而逼供更是野蛮无理之极!

这点难道还需要“说”才清楚吗?

那李敖说他相信法律怀疑法官,李大师常说别人头脑不清,你敢和他比谁头脑比较清吗?




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早期人民行动党的旗号是“民主社会主义

早期人民行动党打出的旗号是“民主社会主义”,李光耀在回忆录中说他当年也信仰社会主义,但不是苏联式的社会主义。

说当年的社会主义就如同现在的恐怖主义,难道当年人民行动党是恐怖主义政党?
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