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原帖由 吴大地 于 2012-5-23 15:55 发表
我最感到悲哀的是,有些人明目张胆的煽风点火,企图引爆排外情绪。而许多民众见怪不怪,不发声谴责,有些还同声同气。

以往一般人在表现排外情绪发表言论时,多少有点愧疚感。现在都感觉不到了。

有同感!新加坡现在很不一样了。不知道反对党真要执政会怎样?
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不过,不是人人对自己的排外情感,都有自觉。很多人往往把自己的排外言论行为合理化,连自己都不知道。

记得,有个媒体人煞有其事的告诉我,“多得这些外地移民,经常制造些耸人听闻的社会案件,提高了报章销路。”

媒体人影响社会视听,有这样的看法,委实可怕!

你说的是晚报还是新明?
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对移民政策不满的人不见得排外,但到底是不是排外,不容易分清楚吧?

凭感觉,我们可以知道他是在排外,还是在讨论政策,但很难证明。

那个人为什么要这样做,你可以自己去问他,他们那些人正在攻击李叶明,可能也骂了你 :

http://forum.omy.sg/showthread.php?t=12799

有人居然说:随笔南洋网站有臭老9、本地賣國佬、牛鬼蛇神等等去交關 品德有缺陷者更不足為奇

这些人实在太过分了。竟如此侮辱这里的网友!!
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发表于 2012-5-23 22:55  资料 文集 短消息 
这个人居然质疑叶明:即然是不明身份的网民 怎可説是本地有一个呢?請問作者的居心又是什么?

这个网站随笔南洋的网友大都知道,那个人不是来过又被禁,再来还被禁,好几次吗?

网站在这里http://sgchinese888.blogspot.com。他写清清楚楚“我是道地的新加坡人,不是中国畜”。

是不是本地人,网友连这个还看不出?不要告诉我是新移民栽赃本地人这类骗小孩的故事。
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发表于 2012-5-24 00:10  资料 主页 个人空间 短消息 
排外,就是把身体里的毒素,排出体外!




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得小心別把營養也一起排出去啦~




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发表于 2012-5-24 16:01  资料 个人空间 短消息 


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原帖由 义顺人 于 2012-5-23 22:42 发表


你说的是晚报还是新明?

对不起,不便透露。

相信是由于全球化加速,移民增加,今日很多国家民众的排外意识,越来越炽热。同时,加上民粹政客趁势煽动,在有些地方排外已然成为社会问题。

新加坡原是移民社会,向来对各族移民包容性特强。尤其是华人,看过东南亚各地一波又一波排华悲惨事件,向来对移民的处境比较体谅。

这种社会意识的改变原因很多。民众若能尽量减少情绪的干扰,理性对待,将来付出的社会成本就较低。

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发表于 2012-5-25 11:02  资料 文集 短消息 
晚报和新明都一样,喜欢报那些东西。小市民喜欢看。据说报份超过早报了。
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发表于 2012-5-25 11:16  资料 个人空间 短消息 
物以类聚,人以群分,日本人、韩国人,香港人、新加坡人都是如此,请不要过于苛求新移民。

就我所知,移居、定居在上海、北京、温哥华、墨尔本的新加坡人,也是“物以类聚”(我儿子一家也是如此),他们并没有融入当地社会。
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原帖由 珊瑚草 于 2012-5-23 20:29 发表

对移民政策不满的人不见得排外,但到底是不是排外,不容易分清楚吧?

凭感觉,我们可以知道他是在排外,还是在讨论政策,但很难证明。

那个人为什么要这样做,你可以自己去问他,他们那些人正在攻击李叶明,可能也骂了你 :

http://forum.omy.sg/showthread.php?t=12799

触目惊心啊!这个omy是排外网站啊~~
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发表于 2012-5-25 11:20  资料 文集 短消息 
看看他们在说什么:

http://forum.omy.sg/showthread.php?t=12806&page=3

最度兰的是我们继香港后被蝗虫侵蚀的目标!还飞来了百多万!   


是谁的错?
以为我们国大地大?

听说最近这几天PA在举办巡回职业展,欢迎本地公民而已。
虽然工资不是偏高的那种,可是至少请的是本地人咯。  
我们是需要另一把声音来维护国人的利益的。


百多万的比例,可想而知  
无论什么展,做戏的作用而已  
维护 新加坡 人 的 利益 , 唯有寄望蓝天 保佑
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居然把新移民说成蝗虫!!
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发表于 2012-5-26 19:15  资料 文集 短消息 
PRC bus driver helps PRC passenger get supermarket trolley on board the bus

A netizen reported on STOMP that a bus driver had allowed a passenger to bring a supermarket trolley onto a Comfort Delgro shuttle bus. The bus driver even went to help the passenger to get the trolley on board. This incident happened last Wed (16 May) at about 8pm.
The netizen, by the name of Leticia, was annoyed, seeing what was happening. She was also worried that the trolley might pose a danger to other passengers.
Leticia commented, “I could not believe what I’d seen with my own eyes.”
She was queuing to take a Comfort Delgro shuttle bus home when she noticed a “well-dressed woman in heels” also queuing, with a full supermarket trolley.
Leticia said, “When the bus arrived, she went up and spoke to the driver. The rest of us had to wait for her before we could board. She moved aside as the driver waved to us to signal us to board the bus. When I got my seat, I thought to myself again, ‘She can’t be asking the driver to help her to bring up all her shopping bags.’”
When all the passengers had boarded the bus, the bus driver actually went to help her to bring not just the shopping bags on to the bus, but with the trolley too!
“I said ‘ridiculous’ loudly enough for other passengers to hear and they all looked at me. One of the passengers in front of me agreed and said that we needed to take pictures of this. I whipped out my iPhone and took photos. She was aware of all these. Guess what?? When the bus door was closed, the trolley was blocking the bus entrance. Shouldn’t both of them consider about the safety hazard?”
Later, Leticia discovered the reason why the Comfort Delgro shuttle bus driver was so willing to help the woman: “During the ride, the driver and the woman started conversing.  Now I know why the driver helped her – they are both PRCs!”
Leticia added, “Is this the right attitude of a bus driver?? The woman did not dare to look at us the whole time, but she still had the cheek to tell the driver that she would be taking his bus the next day to return the trolley!!!!!  I was speechless!! When it was time to alight at the first stop, she had the driver to help her brought the trolley down.”

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFZaDnslpKY

Bringing supermarket trolley onto a bus not only causes inconvenience to other passengers, it also poses as a safety hazard. What if the bus suddenly brakes?
Foreigners in Singapore should not do things as they pleased as if they were in their own countries and the government should also tighten up their immigration criteria to take in the sort of immigrants Singapore needs.
Leticia said, “This is what has caused all Singaporeans to be disgusted with badly-behaved immigrants. Obviously, she must have gotten in here through money and not through her education or professional skills. It really makes us Singaporeans look bad especially to foreigners who might think that these badly-behaved people are Singaporeans. I wish the government would take a closer look at these immigrants. I believe that we can’t be so desperate that we need such people in our country.”
“I would like this to be shared to the other Singaporeans.”
The last question, of course, is does the PRC woman have the permission from the supermarket to borrow the trolley home?
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发表于 2012-5-26 19:18  资料 文集 短消息 
Mid-40s NTU engineering grad now works as $1600 technician

Thomas came in to see me all perspiring after visiting Caliberlink at Brash Basah Road two hours earlier.
He also has to return to work at 2.15pm for the second shift of his 3-month-old technician job with a MNC. The second shift ends at 11pm but Thomas is not complaining.
It was something that he desperately took up as he didn’t want to go jobless for too long  after he was retrenched from a lucrative $60,000/year IT engineering position earlier this year.
He has worked there for six years and was fortunate to come out with a reasonable severance package.
However, his wife is a home maker and it would be disastrous for two adult family members to go unemployed at the same time.
He has two primary school-going boys and it was a challenge to make ends meet if there is no income for a prolonged period  -  to him the technician position was a God-sent.
“It was also something that kept me going even though the pay is 1/3 of what I earned,” he told me when I offered him a drink and tissue to wipe off his perspiration.
Its true that jobless PMETs who continue working at lower-end jobs after retrenchment often feel energised and positive than those who simply apply for jobs and wait at home for the phone calls.
Looking younger than his mid-40s age, Thomas earned his engineering degree from NTU and life was rosy then as the lucrative semi-con industry has just took off and work was plentiful.
Nevertheless, all good things have to come to an end and he was soon retrenched from his engineering job early this year.
He has sent out numerous job applications as an engineer but none came back favourably so when the employment agent advertised for a technician position at $1600/month, he jumped at the offer even though the entry level is only a diploma.
“Its more like a production operator job and even below that of a diploma holder,” Thomas told me.
How long do you want to continue in the job?  I asked.
“As long as I am still looking for a a permanent engineering position,” he replied.
He knew that his biggest competitors are cheap third-world engineers from India, Philippines and India who will flock to our country for as little as $2000/month.
His current company also hires many technicians but they are all permanent residents – mostly from India, Philippines and PRC China. They all earn around $1600 and below.
There are also many local diploma holders who just served out their national service working there but the turn over is high as the job is monotonous and does not require much technical skills.
Thomas has tried to request for upgrading courses from a few government aid bodies in the nursing and therapist profession but when he was told that the starting entry pay is not more than $1500, he hesitated.
“I wanted to switch to another line but it has got to be viable,” Thomas told me.
After studying full time for more than a year, the entry pay for many niche in-demand fields such as nursing is not attractive enough to convince past high-income engineers like Thomas to make the switch.
He will continue to look for engineering jobs but so far the response has being discouraging as he has been rather selective in the positions that he applied for.
After speaking with Thomas for about an hour, I must say that I was inspired by his zeal to survive even though he could only take home less than $1200 for his efforts.
Transitioning has seen close to 500 clients of which at least half are with engineering background.
Some ended up driving cabs or become property agents even though they have engineering degrees from our prestigious local universities.
The semi-con shut down has truly affected the rice bowls of many of our engineers who took the cue from our government two decades ago to study engineering courses.
Now, they face the onslaught of competition from many cheap young engineers hailed from third world countries who could ply their trade here due to the ease in getting them work permits.
Looking at Thomas case, I feel that it will be a tall order for him to secure any engineering job despite his qualification and years of relevant experience and even if he manages to find one, the pay will not be anywhere near to his previous salary before he was retrenched.
Unless the government drastically reduces foreign talents soon, we will see more Thomas running around – jobless and desperate.
We will also see more undergraduates opting to study the arts and social sciences in universities as this is the best way to gain entry to the secured civil service sector.
Singapore will in future face the unpleasant situation of not having enough local experienced engineers as currently most of the engineering positions are occupied  by foreigners.
The profession may also be cheapened by foreign hiring who may one day take their experience with them to other developed countries who will treasure their skills more
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一大堆唯恐天下不亂的新聞。
  新移民不是一個整體,其中自然有好人,也有混蛋。
  怎就挑幾個有問題的來報導?就不多報導那些對新加坡有貢獻的PR和新移民。




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回复 #33 mouseking 的帖子

很多中國來的公車司機沒受過完整的訓練,所以不懂新加坡的規矩,不能怪他們。
要怪應該怪公車公司為何在聘請廉價司機後,沒好好培訓他們。




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发表于 2012-5-27 22:54  资料 文集 短消息 
”中国“ 一词的由来

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目前所知“中国”一词最早出现在公元前11世纪西周早期成王时代的青铜器何尊铭文中,其铭文记载了成王继承武王遗志并营建东都成周的史实,其涉及“中国”部分铭文为“隹武王既克大邑商,则廷告于天曰:余其宅兹中国,自兹乂民。”这篇铭文把“中国”指为以洛阳盆地为中心的中原地区[11]。

在上古文献《尚书·梓材》中(前六世纪汇编),记载道:“皇天既付中国民,越厥疆土,于先王肆。”是指当时周朝统治下的全国而言。诗经民劳:“民亦劳止,汔可小康。惠此中国,以绥四方。”

此时“中国”的含义仅仅是周朝人对自己居住的地域的称谓,他们认为自己位于大地的中央,而四周的民族则分别被他们称为蛮、夷、戎、狄。到春秋战国时期,各诸侯国则自称“中国”,其中“国”就是各诸侯的封地,《孟子》记载了一次齐王的谈话“我欲中国而授孟子室”,此“中国”为都城之意。

汉朝时则将其统治的中原地区称为“中国”,如《史记·武帝本纪》中的“天下名山八,而三在蛮夷,五在中国”。汉朝以来,“中国”一词逐渐演变称为正统的朝代的标志,例如在南北朝时期和宋朝,北朝以据有中原正统而自称“中国”,南朝以传承前朝正统而自称“中国”。

中国历史上各个朝代除制定国号为天下之号外,[12]如唐、宋、明等,也把“中国”作为正统朝代的标志称号。但直到1912年中华民国成立,国父孙中山把中华民国的国号简称为“中国”,在中华民国国内的各民族统称为中华民族,在国际上称“CHINA”,才首次成为近代广泛使用的具有近代国家概念的正式名称。中华人民共和国成立后,也简称“中国”,[13]国字在古代有两种含义,一是指国家,一是指都邑。后来中国作为京师的含义渐渐不用,而作为全国的含义却通行起来。

【摘自维基百科】,若有异议,欢迎指正。

”中国”现在的确是中华人民共和国之简称,但这个词,在历史上意义广泛,泛指了炎黄子孙的发源地。

有那些贪官污吏,无耻奸商,麻木民众,已经把”中国“这个名字,搞的破烂不堪。其他遍布世界各地的炎黄子孙,就不要再火上浇油了。骂人,还是瞄准目标比较好。避免伤及无辜辱及先人。比如叫“共狗”之类的,还能普遍接受。

本帖最后由 AllenLee 于 2012-5-26 10:57 编辑
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